Tuesday, February 22, 2011

Yet another argument, but this time they try to get personal.

A letter that I received and read this morning:

Hannah Yelin February 20 at 8:14pm:

What was the point in posting on the Planned Parenthood page at all? Did you just want to be immature and gloat about that pro-life "victory"? You know, you're really showing your age by making posts like that.
Also, why is it so hard for you to understand that abortions themselves have never been paid for through our tax dollars, and the only thing that is federally funded is the low-cost (or free) healthcare that Planned Parenthood provides? I mean, do you really want Planned Parenthood to not be able to provide thousands of women with healthcare? If so, then why?

Destiny Gonzalez February 21 at 9:03am:
Planned Parenthood gets alot of discreet donations from blue blooded white supremicists to fund African American abortions. The very reason why abortion was legalized in the united states is to persuade the African American populace to kill their children and hope that the abortion injured them enough to sterilize them.
Then every other woman was upset that a black woman could get one, and not them. So the founder of Planned Parenthood along with her male associates who were all including herself former sympathizers of Adolf Hitler in the United States before Hitler's death. Decided they could profit from such a vast history.

So already, those are two reasons that I do NOT support PP.

Now, after a sting operation by Lila Rose has found that PP is aiding Pimps and Sex Traffikers without turning them in. Helping them to lie on forms for underage girls. That is why Congressman Cliff Stearns is launching an internal investigation into Sebelius' affairs with PP and PP itself. Along with the fact that Sebelius is trying to hide PP's illegal boo-boos. Also both those things were a last straw thing for Congress. Which is the cause for their defunding.
Why on Earth would I as a person want to support and stand for such a corrupt and merciless organization? Why would you? PP isn't the only health clinic in the United States that is affordable and sometimes free. There is your local State Health Department, Birth Choice is national and their free, ProLife clinics, etc.


Destiny Gonzalez vast industry*

Hannah Yelin February 21 at 9:13am:
"Planned Parenthood gets alot of discreet donations from blue blooded white supremicists to fund African American abortions. The very reason why abortion was legalized in the united states is to pers...uade the African American populace to kill their children and hope that the abortion injured them enough to sterilize them."

Wrong. Here, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

"Now, after a sting operation by Lila Rose has found that PP is aiding Pimps and Sex Traffikers without turning them in. Helping them to lie on forms for underage girls."

That was one employee, who has since been fired. Can you prove that that happens at every single Planned Parenthood location across the country?

Also, I suggest you watch this, to find out the truth about your precious Lila Rose:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201102180031
Margaret Sanger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org

Margaret Higgins Sanger Slee (September 14, 1879 – September 6, 1966) was an American sex educator, birth control activist and the founder of the American Birth Control League.

Destiny Gonzalez February 21 at 9:22am:
Oh no, PP founder Margaret Sanger was a sympathizer. You shouldn't trust everything Wikipedia says because anyone can alter the page. Including myself, since it's a public dictionary that's why collegiates can't use it for essays and other work.
I doubt that Congress would launch an internal investigation if there was any inkling of a hoax. Or they would have marked it as 'void'. Also I doubt the House of Reps would use that reason for one of many reasons to vote yes on the defunding.

Anything that happens in PP doesn't only happen once.

Hannah Yelin February 21 at 9:24am:
Can you prove that what Wikipedia says is wrong? Also, you do realize that Wikipedia cites its sources at the bottom of each article, don't you? So do you have a problem with the sources that that particular article cites?

Also, did you read the article about Lila Rose?

And what proof do you have that that sort of thing has happened more than once at PP? .


Destiny Gonzalez February 21 at 9:32am:
Not that exact case, no. But if they can give girls and women misinformation purposely more than once. If they can take donations for black abortions. Then there is no telling what they can do.
Yes, I read the article, hence, "I doubt that Congress would launch an internal investigation if there was any inkling of a hoax. Or they would have marked it as 'void'. Also I doubt the House of Reps would use that reason for one of many reasons to vote yes on the defunding."

http://www.acts1711.com/sanger.htm

http://www.spectacle.org/997/richmond.html

And since your so fond of wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Hannah Yelin February 21 at 9:35am:
Did you read the article about how PP helps black people? And did you read the article about Lila Rose? If you didn't read either of those articles, then why is that?
What exactly makes those two websites (meaning Acts1711 and Spectacle) trustworthy or factually-accurate at all, especially seeing as they're quite obviously biased towards the pro-life side of things? Can you provide me with an unbiased source that proves that what you're saying is true?
And yes, I know what Eugenics is. But like I said, just about everyone back then was at least a little bit racist. Slavery had literally just been made illegal, for goodness sakes, so why do you seem to think that it was unusual for people to still think less of black people than they did of white people at that point in history?

Destiny Gonzalez February 21 at 9:42am:
But they're still getting funded for the black abortions.

And I don't see how any of your sources are unbiased. Plus anything that leans towards a certain subject isn't going to be unbiased.See More

Hannah Yelin February 21 at 9:43am:
How are my sources not unbiased? My sources aren't pro-choice at all, so how can they possibly be biased?

And can you prove that they're getting more funding for black abortions than they are for white abortions?

Destiny Gonzalez February 21 at 10:04am:
What would it matter how many more that they're getting? If they're getting them?

Even if I had more sources that were unbiased, this argument would never end. It would consist of constantly trying to outdo the others information.

You can take this however you want, but I'm done arguing, its already turning into a circle.

And if you wish to call me 'ignorant' then do so, but call me ignorant for the right reasons. Because everyone is ignorant in some way.

But I would rather be ignorant, narrow-minded, and so on.

Than let PP continue to kill millions of babies whether they be black or white, green or purple, whether their abortions are government funded or not. Either way they're still doing them.

Whether they're still racist or not they're still taking donations for certain races.

They still aided the pimps and sex traffikers, and never turned them in. Even if it was "one" employee. One is still too many.

There are other clinics.

Because in the end. Nobodies going to win this argument. In the real world each faction still believes their cause is true and just whether they've one or not.

You could give me 10 thousand different points of view and the info. I'll still be prolife, I'll still help to defund PP anyway I can. I'll still picket outside the abortion clinics. I'll still write on PP's wall if I wish to. I'll still write my emails and letters and talk to my states offices to pass bills to eliminate abortion, and other offices like PP.

So why waste your time? Why waste mine? My faction is getting things accomplished. Is yours?

Destiny Gonzalez (comment on post): It's funny during the length of her argument Hannah tries to discredit Lila Rose by saying she hoaxed the latest PP sting videos. And since Hannah is an avid user of wikipedia, here is Lila Roses page on wiki. Which makes even me partially wrong. At least I'll admit.


Destiny Gonzalez (comment on post):
But here is part of what it says: "] Attorney General of Virginia Ken Cuccinelli said he might investigate Planned Parenthood as a result of the videos, but Cuccinelli conceded during a Fox interview that he lacks “an actual case of it on f...ilm” — meaning a case that involves victims instead of actors pretending to run a sex-slave business. Cuccinelli went on to say, “But what you do have is clearly an open willingness of several organizations, meaning subsidiaries of Planned Parenthood nationally in the same category, sex trafficking of minors, and an open willingness to participate in this.”[16] But Live Action national counsel Peter Breen said an actual case is not needed, comparing the undercover journalism in the videos to that of NBC's To Catch a Predator'[16]".See More
32 minutes ago · LikeUnlike.Destiny Gonzalez Here's the link to Lila Rose's wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lila_Rose

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